The Triumph 2000 / 2500 / 2·5 Register Forum

hi gang,

ive had the costing through for the :

mk2 front half wing tooling
mk1 front half wing
mk1 & all estates rear half wing.

prices were around what i thought, so no nasty surprises apart from the tooling for the inner front wing A post closurer panel !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

i have had costings for just wheel arch tooling also including lower sections, but the diff in cost is minimal, so im going for the half wing tooling, silly not to, and the rears will be sooooooo much better as a half panel than just an arch as 9/10 times the rear lower section also needs doing if the arch does.

to press a complete half panel costs near enough the same as to press, say, just a lower section or wheel arch, as the press time is the same, its only the cost of the extra metal ( about £10 ) that makes the half wings a little more expensive, plus also about an extra fiver for postage, so when manufacturer is underway, ill just be doing half wings to start with, so just use the complete half wing or simply cut out what you need.

kevin / alan have kindly put an article in six appeal this month and dale is doing the same for me in the ct mag, plus simon at triumph world is doing a piece as well, we just need to have a chat regarding what to put in it and hopefully that will go to print in the jan issue allowing me to reach alot more of the owners that i am not doing at present, also flyers went out at the nec. MANY THANKS TO ALL THAT HAVE HELPED WITH ALL OF THE ABOVE.

once triumph world goes out, give it a few weeks, and i can have a jot up of the orders that i will have had, allowing me to see, how much each panel needs to be sold for.

onward and upward !!!!!!!! yey !!!!!!

lloyd

Yipeeeeeeee
Thanks Lloyd

Lee

Yey!

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Well done and thanks Lloyd

Hi Lloyd

It's really good news to hear you are planning on doing 1/2 wings as I will be able to cut out all the rot and previous repairs in one go. I've managed to get my old SIP migmate working really well so I am looking forward to getting busy.

thanks guys, my pleasure.

let us hope now, that i get those few extra orders i need to make this all viable, if you know of anyone that are thinking about placing an order, give em a nudge

simon at triumph world kindly gave me a call yesterday evening regarding the article he is doing on my behalf, many thanks to him, as it will enable me to reach alot more owners than i, as yet have been able to, it will be in the next issue hopefully, yey !!!!

right !!!!!!! you all want a price for these panels, so i"ll give you one, but its ball park and as mentioned before, much dependant on final orders after triumph world comes out, plus im thinking of just bitting the bullet and paying for ads to go into others nationwide classic mags and papers ( basiclly just pay to print the flyer i had done for the nec ).

i will be selling the panels at two prices, one price for you lot and another higher price on ebay etc, but on the adverts for the higher price ones i will be adding that said panels are available at discounted rates for club members, so hopefully encouraging non members to join one or both of our great clubs, sounds like a cunning plan dont it lol lol.

now, i am only a member of the reg and ct and only have dealings with them, and i certainly dont wanna alienate other triumph owners that belong to other triumph clubs, so i will have to include this discount across the board some how, ideas please people ?? !! i.e proof of membership etc etc

so here is the moment you have all been waiting for, the price, ohhhhhhh its nearly as exciting as christmas morning aint it lol

£250 to £350 per half wing.

i did say ball park !!!!!!!

those price are based on the projections i have done, should those projections go up, the price will go down, should the projections go down, the price will go up, simple as that.

even as andy said, if your car is not quite ready yet for wing transplants, buy some anyway so you have some ready, it will increase my order list and keep the prices down.

let me know your feelings please guys.

all the best
lloyd

Other clubs have a price for parts they sell to members, and another for non members.

The principle is that the club or its members have had to put in a lot of work (in your case a MASSIVE amount of work) and you want to only benefit those who have been prepared to pay a subscription to join the club(s). People who can't be bothered to join your club(s) should not expect any club benefits.

If someone wants to get the benefit(s) of being a member of a club they must be prepared to pay the joining subscription.

This is the principle upon which the Spares group works - we check each application with the Register or CT to make sure they are members.

MUT

Quick amendment before dashing out to the Wydean Group meeting,
Following the last Triumph clubs forum meeting it was agreed that the spares organisations for the clubs would get together to share information - I have been asked to have an input. Of course if this means that members of all clubs would be treated the same for prices then my comments above should be read to reflect that I would support this.

COPY OF CT POSTING

dave,

dont stress it, i admire your honesty and for letting me know asap, thank you.
but dont be to hasty, those prices could well go down, please read on.

i have the article in triumph world comming out and im also paying to put the flyer in the ccw ( 1/4 page ad ) that comes out 8th jan, it will be next to an article they are doing on the 2000, so perfect for me !!! plus today ill be looking into doing the same in other classic rags, so thets just wait and see the responce.
perhaps i was hasty in giving out the price, but i get nagged daily for a price !!!

i shall try and put this in perspective as the work involved is massive along with the tooling, in fact each tool is so big, you would have trouble fitting it on the back of a pick up truck !!!!!! and the weight of them, is unreal, a fork lift is needed to move them around.

there is no cheap way of doing this, belive you me i have explored every avenue !!!!

each tool is around 25 - 28 THOUSAND pounds so for the three tools im shelling out best part of 80 k !!!
belive it or not, the tooling cost for just the small inner front wing A post closure panel was 28 k, simply because of the complexity of its shape, mad eh !

tr6 wings ( complete ) are available for £355, now bear in mind there were NO tooling costs involved as the heritage centre had the originals, so no 28 k was spent there, the only costs the supplier has is the pressing cost ( about £20 per panel ) and any lazer costs, but as they are the original tools, im not sure if any lazering is required, plus whatever percentage of sales they have to give to heritage, so that is a massive mark up and profit from what i can see.

my costs are, £25 - £28 THOUSAND, plus pressing and lazer costs at £60 per panel, now do you all see where im comming from, so if i can sell a half wing for £250 i think thats pretty good, considering that the company that was selling half wings years and year and years ago wanted £215 back then, and we all know what the quality of them were !!

tooling costs for just arches was only a tad cheaper than for the half wings, so little in fact, in my opinion it was silly not to go for the half wing tooling, plus the press and lazer costs were ni on the same.

as it stands, i will have quite a loss on the tooling for now, but hope to claw that back over the years, and when the ads and articles go to press, who knows, i might even have enough orders to nearly pay for the tooling, and if thats the case, the panels will drop in price alot, im not doing this for money, im doing it to keep our great cars alive, plus i have 4 cars here that need panels, and i do want to restore our cars for a living and sell them on as "new" doing complete nut and bolt restos on them.

IN A NUTSHELL, WE ALL NEED THESE PANELS, BUT UNFORTUNATELY THERE IS NO CHEAP WAY OF PRODUCING THEM.

there is one manufacturer that can do them a bit cheaper, the quality isnt as good and you have to sacrifice one of whatever panel you want making to allow the mold to be made, and i cant see members allowing thier panels to be lost to enable this, plus the molds are only good for x amount of uses, meaning every next panel will be of a little less quality than the previous one, then after the x amount of uses you have to remake the mold, so to me, thats a non starter.

sorry to rant on everyone, but i just need you all to understand the process that is involved in getting these panels done, there is no quick fix, sorry.

any comments more than welcomed please.

lloyd

ive just read that back, dave please dont think this is a pop at you, as it certainaly is not, its just trying to convey the complexity of the task at hand.

im gunna have a word with the manufacturer regarding the tooling for arches alone again, its too complex to try and explain on here, but briefly, if i can loose a flange / curve or two it drops the tooling costs a bit, especially on the mk1 rear if it doesnt contain the whole lower rear section, as that needs a hammer form jig plus manhours to finish it off where it returns to meet the rear lower valance, even after pressing.

if the costs between an arch and a half wing are only about £30-40 surely you would all prefer half wings wouldnt you ???

please let me know your thoughts.


classic car weekly advert is booked for the 8th jan as is the article in triumph world, and it looks fab, simon has done a super job, so my thanks to him again.

more orders are trickling through, so the price is still dropping
lloyd