Long O/D gearstick
Length isn't everything!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Bill Young
1967 MK1 2000 MSS8E
1971 minivan IUI1588
1981 minivan TDS40W Now PMY453W
1962Greeves Sports Tourer 24DC 114 GGD
1998 Honda CB750, Deep Candy Apple Red.13500 Miles R191DVR
2020 Renault Trafic crew van 12 Miles 02-11-2020 TDS40W
1967 MK1 2000 MSS8E
1971 minivan IUI1588
1981 minivan TDS40W Now PMY453W
1962Greeves Sports Tourer 24DC 114 GGD
1998 Honda CB750, Deep Candy Apple Red.13500 Miles R191DVR
2020 Renault Trafic crew van 12 Miles 02-11-2020 TDS40W
Re: Long O/D gearstick
Hello Mike,
I also thought about cutting and welding, but to do a sound job it will need the joint to be prepared by grinding a good chamfer on both parts and the chances are that subsequent welding will block the central drilling for the cable making it impossible to feed it through?
While my suggestion needs a certain amount of engineering equipment and in the case that is not available then it is a simple job for a machine shop.
However, I was not aware of a longer lever on later cars and if that is the reason for the original query, an earlier gear lever would solve the problem, assuming they are interchangeable?
Alec
I also thought about cutting and welding, but to do a sound job it will need the joint to be prepared by grinding a good chamfer on both parts and the chances are that subsequent welding will block the central drilling for the cable making it impossible to feed it through?
While my suggestion needs a certain amount of engineering equipment and in the case that is not available then it is a simple job for a machine shop.
However, I was not aware of a longer lever on later cars and if that is the reason for the original query, an earlier gear lever would solve the problem, assuming they are interchangeable?
Alec
0465
MK1.5 2.5 P.I.
Jaguar MK 2 (Long term restoration.)
Hymer 564 Motorhome.
MK1.5 2.5 P.I.
Jaguar MK 2 (Long term restoration.)
Hymer 564 Motorhome.
Re: Long O/D gearstick
Sorry Alec,Alec wrote:Hello Tony,
" If you were fairly good with a grinder you may be able to get the diameter down to get a die nut over it but it would be a bit of a bodge."
Rather you than me, and I've regularly wielded an angle grinder for years, by the way a die nut is not designed to cut threads, merely to clean up damaged threads.
The neatest way to shorten the gear lever is to cut off to the required length, drill and tap the lever the same thread as the original end and screw in a long grub screw, drilled down the centre for the switch cable.
I must say I've not felt that the original lever is too long?
Alec
That was just a tongue in cheek comment No way would I attempt that operation either.
Tony.
1976 2500 TC. converted to S specs.
Lots of bits
1999 BMW Z3.
2006 BMW 325ti.
Hopefully not needing too many bits.
.
Lots of bits
1999 BMW Z3.
2006 BMW 325ti.
Hopefully not needing too many bits.
.
-
- Site Admin
- Posts:3593
- Joined:Mon May 08, 2006 9:50 pm
- Location:South Oxfordshire, UK
Re: Long O/D gearstick
I think I've got an old gearlever that has been welded, but that was below the overdrive cable hole. Actually, if you think about it, you'd probably want the lengething to be there rather than higher up. Maybe?
I'm not sure I'd want to 'cut and shut' a gearlever either. I'm sure some of the spares companies will be able to find one of the correct type!
Cheers,
Mike.
I'm not sure I'd want to 'cut and shut' a gearlever either. I'm sure some of the spares companies will be able to find one of the correct type!
Cheers,
Mike.
(South Oxfordshire)
Register Member No 0355
1971 2.5PI Saloon Sapphire blue
1973 2.5PI Saloon rust some Honeysuckle
1973 Stag French blue
(1949 LandRover was blue should be light green!)
Register Member No 0355
1971 2.5PI Saloon Sapphire blue
1973 2.5PI Saloon rust some Honeysuckle
1973 Stag French blue
(1949 LandRover was blue should be light green!)
Re: Long O/D gearstick
Hello Mike,
I didn't think there was enough free length below the hole to make a significant shortening of the lever. Making a good weld on relatively small diameter bar takes a bit of skill to do it properly, however, maybe it could be sleeved and welded?
Alec
I didn't think there was enough free length below the hole to make a significant shortening of the lever. Making a good weld on relatively small diameter bar takes a bit of skill to do it properly, however, maybe it could be sleeved and welded?
Alec
0465
MK1.5 2.5 P.I.
Jaguar MK 2 (Long term restoration.)
Hymer 564 Motorhome.
MK1.5 2.5 P.I.
Jaguar MK 2 (Long term restoration.)
Hymer 564 Motorhome.
Re: Long O/D gearstick
The 'long' lever came in for the 2500S. It was a way of providing an less notchy lighter gearchange with the same gearbox!!!! No wonder BL didn't last!! The long stick gives a long throw and a vague change in my opinion, and I have always changed it for an earlier short one.
Indecently, I thought the early Australian built cars had the short lever. My 1970 PI certainly did! (BFX 526 reg in NSW)
Indecently, I thought the early Australian built cars had the short lever. My 1970 PI certainly did! (BFX 526 reg in NSW)
Charles Harrison
Register member 3095
Folkestone
Cherry Red Mk1 2000 Rally Car
Mallard Blue 2.5PI
Sapphire Blue GT6 Mk3
Vermillion Red Spitfire 1500
Pimento Red TR6
Inky Blue VW Passat B5.5
Arctic Blue Jaguar XJ40
Silver Range Rover Vogue SE
Register member 3095
Folkestone
Cherry Red Mk1 2000 Rally Car
Mallard Blue 2.5PI
Sapphire Blue GT6 Mk3
Vermillion Red Spitfire 1500
Pimento Red TR6
Inky Blue VW Passat B5.5
Arctic Blue Jaguar XJ40
Silver Range Rover Vogue SE
Re: Long O/D gearstick
I agree with your comments Charles on why the longer gearstick was introduced in 1974 - I too always understood that it was for an 'easier' gearchange; to overcome the slight baulking or as Charles says notchiness that was found in earlier gearboxes by, I presume, a bit of extra leverage!
Register Member no. 1596
1967 Mk1 2000 in Gunmetal Grey
1969 Mk1 2000 in Royal Blue
1970 Mk2 2000 in Valencia Blue
1972 Mk2 2.5 PI in Triumph White
1973 Mk2 2.5 PI in Sienna Brown
1976 Mk2 2500S in Carmine Red
1967 Mk1 2000 in Gunmetal Grey
1969 Mk1 2000 in Royal Blue
1970 Mk2 2000 in Valencia Blue
1972 Mk2 2.5 PI in Triumph White
1973 Mk2 2.5 PI in Sienna Brown
1976 Mk2 2500S in Carmine Red
-
- Site Admin
- Posts:3593
- Joined:Mon May 08, 2006 9:50 pm
- Location:South Oxfordshire, UK
Re: Long O/D gearstick
Thanks for that explanation Charles. That would explain the change in gearlever length. I guess it was to overcome that slight notchyness when going into 2nd, especially when cold (and on an 'older' gearbox)! It's all part of the charm to me!
Cheers,
Mike.
Cheers,
Mike.
(South Oxfordshire)
Register Member No 0355
1971 2.5PI Saloon Sapphire blue
1973 2.5PI Saloon rust some Honeysuckle
1973 Stag French blue
(1949 LandRover was blue should be light green!)
Register Member No 0355
1971 2.5PI Saloon Sapphire blue
1973 2.5PI Saloon rust some Honeysuckle
1973 Stag French blue
(1949 LandRover was blue should be light green!)
- Dave B
- Senior Member
- Posts:995
- Joined:Thu Dec 27, 2007 8:37 pm
- Location:Wigan,Home of the mighty Warriors
Re: Long O/D gearstick
You shouldn't have indecent thoughts about Triumphs, Charles.Charles H wrote: Indecently, I thought the early Australian built cars had the short lever. My 1970 PI certainly did! (BFX 526 reg in NSW)
...........sorry, couldn't resist
Club Member 2035
1970 2500 Mk2 in pimento red[/col
Toyota Avensis T4 Tourer
1970 2500 Mk2 in pimento red[/col
Toyota Avensis T4 Tourer
Re: Long O/D gearstick
Mike,Mike Stevens wrote:The gear lever was made longer late in production, maybe when the 'S' came out but I've never really been sure why. Maybe when the 'J' type came in due to it's different mounting arrangement, or perhaps when/if the later seats were higher.
I don't think re-cutting the gear knob fixing will be very easy. You could probably cut a section out lower down and re-weld it, but make sure it's a good weld. You don't want that coming off when driving!
Of course, the better approach would be to find the 'right' length gear lever!
Cheers,
Mike.
My guess would be because of drag and therefore difficulty in selecting third/fourth and especially reverse. Longer lever length produces greater force for less effort.
Do you know the length of the levers?
Kev
Who is online
Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 13 guests