is PAS worth while?

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is PAS worth while?

#1 Post by peewee21 » Sun Dec 27, 2015 4:02 pm

Hi,

I am doing the RBRR in the estate and was wondering if its worthwhile converting the steering to PAS or not?

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Re: is PAS worth while?

#2 Post by david_rachel » Sun Dec 27, 2015 5:32 pm

I'd say it depends on what you want your car to be and how you view it. A Mark II 2.5PI Estate is the epitome of 1970's luxury estate car touring without entering the realms of exotica, one would expect no less than PAS and it certainly adds a real air of quality to the car. I remember my mother back in the day deriding the lack of grunt that a Mk I 2000 Estate offered a family of five, somehow PAS would have been misplaced on a lower spec car. Nonetheless, if you fitted it I'm sure you would appreciate the refinement.
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Re: is PAS worth while?

#3 Post by johnnydog » Sun Dec 27, 2015 7:34 pm

I would also say it depends on how heavy your manual steering is, and whether you are able to manage with the effort required when using the car. Unfortunately, the older you get, the more PAS seems like a good idea! I have several big Triumphs; half are manual steering, and the rest PAS. Interestingly, some of the manual steering cars have quite a light feel, whereas one in particular is very heavy especially when manoeuvring. This can be affected by your tyre size / choice and of course being at the correct pressure.
If you are asking the question, then I would say that the probable answer is Yes!
All this assuming that you have all the parts to convert your Triumph. I don't know which model you have, but don't forget the earlier Mk1's didn't have the indentation in the chassis rail for the clearance of the PAS steering coupling.
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Re: is PAS worth while?

#4 Post by Dave B » Sun Dec 27, 2015 7:38 pm

One thing it does do (apart from reducing the effort required, obviously :roll: ) is that the number of steering wheel turns from lock to lock is reduced from almost four turns to three, bringing it into line with more 'modern' cars. I have converted both mine to PAS and would never go back!
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Re: is PAS worth while?

#5 Post by Clifford Pope » Tue Dec 29, 2015 5:36 pm

I've never owned a Triumph with PAS so I can't compare directly. But of my three classics, the Volvo has PAS and the Triumph and SWB Landrover are manual.
I'd say it depends entirely on how much tight manoeuvring you do, and how strong your arms are. Once moving at more than about 5mph there is no difference. Both my manual steering vehicles are light to the touch, the steering is positive, with just the right amount of self-centring so as to require no undue effort to turn corners but with the wheel coming back to the straight position at the right rate if you just let it go and let it feed through the fingers.
It's mainly a matter of having the steering well set up, with the correct adjustment, and the springs not sagging so that the castor angle is still correct.

That said, the Volvo is a delight to turn with one finger or spin with the heel of one's wrist in low-speed parking. It has a lovely lazy luxurious feel. But you wouldn't want it in a sporty car, and it's a menace on ice - it's impossible to sense which direction the wheels are pointing.

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Re: is PAS worth while?

#6 Post by herald1360 » Tue Dec 29, 2015 7:37 pm

Hi all
I converted my 2500 some years ago and have never looked back.
Quite a lot of work, but well worth the effort.
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Re: is PAS worth while?

#7 Post by tony » Tue Dec 29, 2015 8:39 pm

Biggest problem is to find and fit a P/S front engine plate to easily fit the pump. The rest is fairly straight forward.
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is PAS worth while?

#8 Post by Alan Chatterton » Wed Dec 30, 2015 12:27 am

You don't 'need' a pas engine front plate. It is possible to drill the existing. Fiddly, but easier than removing all the timing gear to change it.
It all depends on if you find the manual steering too heavy.


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Re: is PAS worth while?

#9 Post by wild bill » Wed Dec 30, 2015 3:31 pm

MAN UP! Get out the Bull Worker(who remembers that then) or the Charles Atlas Guide(or that!) Manual is fine,power for weaklings!!!
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Re: is PAS worth while?

#10 Post by pete lewis » Wed Dec 30, 2015 7:31 pm

I fitted a kit to my mk2 2000 the amount of work on the open road
and nipping around roundabouts seemed impossible
let alone getting on the drive in a hurry and ending up next door
made the whole experience drab, I sourced the parts from CWitor
and the car is a transformed joy to whizz around now,
I looked at drilling the orig front plate but this had 2 reinforcing webs
welded on and removing to fit the thick plate to mount the pump wasn
not a reasonable option, if you can it saves stripping the timming gear off
and retiming the cam

for me the transformation takes a lumbering tub into a more hairy
and enjoyable drive

well worth the effort, all down to preferences

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